Reply 3: From the weather.htm page (by the way, none of your links worked first time, I had to search for them for some reason):
"The Perfect Philosophy and egoless (and searchless) Way of Life That Is Reality Itself Is The Reality-Intrinsic (or Always Already Self-Evident) Pre-Disposition and “Radical” (or Always “At-The-Root”) Practice of No-ideas.
The Inherently Perfect Philosophy Is The Pre-“rational” (and, Thus, Post-“scientific”), and Pre-“religious” (and, Thus, Non-“religious”, but, Also, Inherently and Transcendentally Spiritual), and Self-Evidently Divine (or Universally all-and-All-Pervading, and Intrinsically all-and-All-Liberating, and Perfectly all-and-All-Illuminating), and Perfectly searchless (or Always Already egolessly Self-Perfected) Way of Life.
The only-by-Me Revealed and Given Reality-Way of Adidam (or Adidam Ruchiradam) Is The Seventh Way, The Way of Reality Itself, The Way of Perfect Philosophy, The “Radical” (or Always “At-The-Root”) Way of No-ideas, The Way of Intrinsic Indivisibility, The Way of Always Prior Unity, The Priorly egoless Transcendental Spiritual Way, The Perfectly searchless Way of Life-Itself—The Way of The One, and Only, and all-and-All-Pervading Conscious Light (or Divine True Water) Itself.
All mere ideas are as an illusion of weather—or a “localization” of separately “objectified” (or merely apparent) natural water.
Reality Itself Is As An Absolute Rain—or A Perfect Universalization of The Inherently Perfect (and Perfectly Indivisible) Self-Unity of The One True Water Itself.
The only-by-Me Revealed and Given Reality-Way of Adidam Is The Absolute Rain of Reality Itself."
Ha ha ha! Interesting how many words it takes to express the wordless, eh!?!? He reminds me of Longchenpa, the great Dzogchen composer. Volume after volume going round and round in endless spirals, like watching clouds come and go, form and dissolve. Like our lives, day after night, night after day.
"Consciousness Itself has nothing to do with thinking—nothing whatsoever.
Consciousness Itself does not think.
Consciousness Itself does not have any thoughts in It.
Consciousness Itself does not have any memories in It.
Consciousness Itself does not have anything in it, except Its Own Inherent Fullness.
Only That—nothing else.
Everything else is a fabrication of attention, in the universal grid of the Cosmic Mandala.1
1 Avatar Adi Da Samraj uses the term “Cosmic Mandala” to mean the entirety of conditionally manifested existence (which can manifest only in accordance with whatever conditions are the case)."
All true. I express similar ideas tangentially in a text I composed for daily practice:
"Letting spaciousness naturally settle and expand
Thoughts which are mind made of mind
Are like waves which are ocean made of ocean;
Through the portal of any such particular
We plunge into the silent fathomless depths of primordial, ever-present wakefulness
From whose timeless presence we always have been and are continuously inseparable."
So consciousness does not have any thoughts it , as AdiDa says, but neither are throughts entirely separate from consciousness any more than an individualized wave is separate from the ocean of which it is a part and not apart from.
....
Words, words, words.
Realization is in the doing, the experiencing, not the theorizing!
Thank you. Reading the first from AdiDa (I almost joined his Dawn Horse Community in 1975 but got sidetracked in Boulder!), the second one about Time and Space is fun. At the end he writes: "“Present-time” is a myth in mind." I think one can go simpler: 'Time is a myth in mind' or simpler yet: 'time is a concept/abstraction'.
This is why I like the term 'ever-present' and sometimes I say 'ever-presence' though that joins time and space which AdiDa says you cannot do. I say you can join them because both arise together as 'experiencing'. So I call reality 'experiential continuum'.
Experiential because awareness is experiential; this transcends whether or not experience is occurring through a flesh-bound incarnation of animal, ghost or human etc or whether as a self-existent constant present also in rocks and clouds. The entire world is a field of experiencing.
Continuum because there is no beginning and end to this experiencing. Without beginning or end the concept of time becomes somewhat meaningless because ever-presence cannot be measured. Also, any location in space, despite individuated consciousness such as the one you and I experience as seemingly independent beings, cannot be defined or located in any absolute sense, only relatively, this object relative to that, or that, or that ad infinitum. Further, location is a function of perception-awareness without which three dimensional (here and there) space would not arise in experience. So space though seemingly having precise locations is in fact infinite, beyond measure, so also without beginning or end nor any other parameters.
Therefore neither space nor time actually exist as such, though they do in the realm of experience. Very much so. It's way a dog, cat and bee can fly through the same dimensional space we see alighting on the same objects - flowers, flowerpots, roofs, floors, bodies etc. It all works.
I like what he says about Space and Time. Makes you take a second look!
Reply 3: From the weather.htm page (by the way, none of your links worked first time, I had to search for them for some reason):
"The Perfect Philosophy and egoless (and searchless) Way of Life That Is Reality Itself Is The Reality-Intrinsic (or Always Already Self-Evident) Pre-Disposition and “Radical” (or Always “At-The-Root”) Practice of No-ideas.
The Inherently Perfect Philosophy Is The Pre-“rational” (and, Thus, Post-“scientific”), and Pre-“religious” (and, Thus, Non-“religious”, but, Also, Inherently and Transcendentally Spiritual), and Self-Evidently Divine (or Universally all-and-All-Pervading, and Intrinsically all-and-All-Liberating, and Perfectly all-and-All-Illuminating), and Perfectly searchless (or Always Already egolessly Self-Perfected) Way of Life.
The only-by-Me Revealed and Given Reality-Way of Adidam (or Adidam Ruchiradam) Is The Seventh Way, The Way of Reality Itself, The Way of Perfect Philosophy, The “Radical” (or Always “At-The-Root”) Way of No-ideas, The Way of Intrinsic Indivisibility, The Way of Always Prior Unity, The Priorly egoless Transcendental Spiritual Way, The Perfectly searchless Way of Life-Itself—The Way of The One, and Only, and all-and-All-Pervading Conscious Light (or Divine True Water) Itself.
All mere ideas are as an illusion of weather—or a “localization” of separately “objectified” (or merely apparent) natural water.
Reality Itself Is As An Absolute Rain—or A Perfect Universalization of The Inherently Perfect (and Perfectly Indivisible) Self-Unity of The One True Water Itself.
The only-by-Me Revealed and Given Reality-Way of Adidam Is The Absolute Rain of Reality Itself."
Ha ha ha! Interesting how many words it takes to express the wordless, eh!?!? He reminds me of Longchenpa, the great Dzogchen composer. Volume after volume going round and round in endless spirals, like watching clouds come and go, form and dissolve. Like our lives, day after night, night after day.
Thanks for your links!
Please find a set of references which provide an Illuminated Understanding of this topic
http://www.consciousness.itself.org
http://beezone.com/current/what-consciousness-is.html
http://www.dabase.org/Reality_Itself_Is_Not_In_The_MIddle.htm
http://www.dabase.org/illusion-weather.htm
http://spiralledlightwordpress.com
Reply 2: more fun:
"Consciousness Itself has nothing to do with thinking—nothing whatsoever.
Consciousness Itself does not think.
Consciousness Itself does not have any thoughts in It.
Consciousness Itself does not have any memories in It.
Consciousness Itself does not have anything in it, except Its Own Inherent Fullness.
Only That—nothing else.
Everything else is a fabrication of attention, in the universal grid of the Cosmic Mandala.1
1 Avatar Adi Da Samraj uses the term “Cosmic Mandala” to mean the entirety of conditionally manifested existence (which can manifest only in accordance with whatever conditions are the case)."
All true. I express similar ideas tangentially in a text I composed for daily practice:
"Letting spaciousness naturally settle and expand
Thoughts which are mind made of mind
Are like waves which are ocean made of ocean;
Through the portal of any such particular
We plunge into the silent fathomless depths of primordial, ever-present wakefulness
From whose timeless presence we always have been and are continuously inseparable."
So consciousness does not have any thoughts it , as AdiDa says, but neither are throughts entirely separate from consciousness any more than an individualized wave is separate from the ocean of which it is a part and not apart from.
....
Words, words, words.
Realization is in the doing, the experiencing, not the theorizing!
But it can be fun...
Thank you. Reading the first from AdiDa (I almost joined his Dawn Horse Community in 1975 but got sidetracked in Boulder!), the second one about Time and Space is fun. At the end he writes: "“Present-time” is a myth in mind." I think one can go simpler: 'Time is a myth in mind' or simpler yet: 'time is a concept/abstraction'.
This is why I like the term 'ever-present' and sometimes I say 'ever-presence' though that joins time and space which AdiDa says you cannot do. I say you can join them because both arise together as 'experiencing'. So I call reality 'experiential continuum'.
Experiential because awareness is experiential; this transcends whether or not experience is occurring through a flesh-bound incarnation of animal, ghost or human etc or whether as a self-existent constant present also in rocks and clouds. The entire world is a field of experiencing.
Continuum because there is no beginning and end to this experiencing. Without beginning or end the concept of time becomes somewhat meaningless because ever-presence cannot be measured. Also, any location in space, despite individuated consciousness such as the one you and I experience as seemingly independent beings, cannot be defined or located in any absolute sense, only relatively, this object relative to that, or that, or that ad infinitum. Further, location is a function of perception-awareness without which three dimensional (here and there) space would not arise in experience. So space though seemingly having precise locations is in fact infinite, beyond measure, so also without beginning or end nor any other parameters.
Therefore neither space nor time actually exist as such, though they do in the realm of experience. Very much so. It's way a dog, cat and bee can fly through the same dimensional space we see alighting on the same objects - flowers, flowerpots, roofs, floors, bodies etc. It all works.
I like what he says about Space and Time. Makes you take a second look!
Thanks again.